Curse

Monkey Blonde · Oct 02, 2006, 08:27 AM // 08:27

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Originally Posted by Griff Mon

But seriously, I used to be impressed with the Protector Title, it seems like everyone has it. I have never seen anyone with "Kind of A Big Deal" title yet, and only once have a seen a "Legendary Survivor". I think the rarity of the title seems to be a big part of it getting respect.

Here's a pic for ya. Now you have seen one. :P Anyways, I probably respect the Champion and Allegiance tracks the most. As for Legendary Survivor, it is unfortunate that people can find such easy ways to attain this, causing people to be skeptical of all. I earned my ele's title through careful gameplay. I am currently working on a warrior Legendary Survivor-to-be. I took advantage of the elite skill capping weekend to grab about 35 elites. I plan to get a significant part of my eventual mapping title done before maxing the title as well as many more elites to be capped. When I get the title the second time, it will be blatently obvious that I was not powerleveled, run, babysat, whatever.

Inzilbeth · Oct 02, 2006, 08:39 AM // 08:39

Grandmaster treasure hunter title for me - I admire the sheer tenacity or complete lunacy needed for running the 10,000 chests required

Caspar · Oct 02, 2006, 09:08 AM // 09:08

The Rank 3 Suvivor Title wasn't that hard to get due to this weekend's event. I managed to pull it off by capping 95 skills... at which point I ran out of gold for the Signets. So now I have the rank 1 Skill Hunter and Rank 3 Survivor

Time to work on the other titles.

Yemen · Oct 02, 2006, 11:13 AM // 11:13

Like someone said, most of survivors are just a farmers, most of them don't even farm by themselves, just hang on with someone getting xp for them. Go farm, quit if you are going to die and start again. Nothing to do with skill imo.

I'd say all pvp titles are more about skill. Most impressive title for me is Champion title, but I also like high HA ranks.

broodijzer · Oct 02, 2006, 12:25 PM // 12:25

grandmaster chest farmer - 10000 chests! I got hella bored after the 3rd rank, which is 550 chests.

wisdom titles. almost everybody who reached the max title have bought it, but I'm about to reach the 1st title with regular play. Takes a long time, way longer than you might think.

grandmaster cartographer. Just hugging walls? I think most of the grandmasters have been comparing their maps with the ones online carefully - not an easy task!

skill hunter. requires lots of patience

makosi · Oct 02, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

Protector of Cantha/Tyria are the only titles that don't require grind. I'd have to go with those.

Anarion Silverhand · Oct 02, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

The Gladiator Title does NOT impress me, as there used to be a bug, which made victories against the Zaishen elite (or the zaishen challenge, can't remember) count as victories in RA, making them count as glad points if you won 10 in a row.

Having both Protector titles impresses me the most, as it shows you have some skill. Or a lot of money.

the_jos · Oct 02, 2006, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by Paperfly

The single biggest alarm bell, though, comes from the Protector of [the continent you're currently playing] in mission areas. You know for a fact that this guy's already finished the mission, so why is he there? There's four possible reasons, only one of which involves him playing properly with your group if he joins: helping a guildmate (good - and you can easily check this by looking at guild tags), mapping (bad), chest runs (plusbad), and skill capping (doubleplusbad).

I don't agree.
I have protectors on all Tyrian chars and still play the missions.
I just like to help out pugs (my guild is small, most of the time I'm the only member online).
I've had help from others, so why not help some people myself?
Chests, mapping and skills are easier with hench.
No people complaining, afk, rushing, dc-ing.

I specially help out on the high-end missions (Southern Shiverpeak and Fire islands).
Gives me some challenge and the possibility to run some unusual builds (which I mention when entering team).
And is more fun than solo-ing the missions or farming.
I also still make enough money on those missions to buy some nice stuff, though I could buy them faster when farming.

When I have protectors in Factions, I probably do the same (though the missions are less fun imho).
Experience can make the difference between success and failure.

Jetdoc · Oct 02, 2006, 01:45 PM // 13:45

Survivor (3) is probably the least respected title out there, because it means (a) you did a ton of riskless farming to get it or (b) you joined PuGs and went AFK or ran like a screaming baby whenever any sort of group was aggroed to yoru party.

Personally, I like the Drunkard titles the most. Grandmaster Cartographers are also pretty sweet, as you can really tell that they've experienced almost every ounce of PvE there is to experience.

The only thing about the Protector of Tyria and Cantha titles that irk me are that they are simply too easy to get - I bet I could get both of them in less than a week's time by joining PuGs.

Blame the Monks · Oct 02, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Just as an FYI for everyone who thinks Survivor3 comes from trolls/f12... I've never met a single survivor who reguarly ditched or who solo farmed in any way -- ditching is too risky and farming takes too long.

Farming trolls or w/e costs so much money and time it wouldn't be worth it. Virtually every survivor3 is aiming for KoaBD which means they will also be getting dual protectors and at least one explorer at the same time. It took me ~100 hours to reach survivor 3 just in terms of earning the exp. I had to spend that time doing something, so why not cap elites, do missions/quests, and explore? Finally, the best experience engine is by FAR capping elites. This is why every survivor3 I know also has at least 100+ skill caps on that char. Some other survivors try to farm UW quests, which again shows they played carefully.

Finally, as for ditching -- it just won't work consistently enough to hit Survivor3. You may be able to ditch and survive a few times, but eventually it will catch up to you. I know several people who tried ditching their way to Survivor3 and failed because of lag or a death after they think they exited. None of them even managed to ditch their way past survivor 1. The only reliable way is to play smart enough to never be at risk -- which takes skill. (Also too every survivor I know plays with henches 90%+ of the time because henches don't leroy, quit, and so on).

And for me, champion is worthless. It simply tells me you were a member of one of the top ~75 guilds or so, which I can easily see from your guild tag. While not a "title" per se, silver trim impresses me a lot more than champ, because they say effectively the same thing except silver trim shows they were on a top 16 team while champ could mean they simply joined a rank 150 thumpway pug.

Tark Alkerk · Oct 02, 2006, 02:00 PM // 14:00

to be honest i am not immpressed by any of the titles really,
i used to be immpressed by champian title, but after the bug with signet of might i am not sure that is even worth getting.
to be honest having a title doesn't really show skill. i have beaten rank 9s and rank 5 gladitors in the past, and it is hard to argue that survivor shows that you have skill, after all you are just out-wiiting a computer that attacks through SS, hits targets that have SV on them and attack people using vengeful was kanei.

Count to Potato · Oct 02, 2006, 02:05 PM // 14:05

The highest lvl seeker of wisdom and treasure hunter because it shows how much people are willing to play this game

kc2000ss · Oct 02, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Ale Hound

I have only seen 1 or 2

Legendary Shiz · Oct 02, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Champ, glad, hero titles are impressive at high ranks. Champ is only one imo impressive at r1

r3 survivor is impressive. Even if you payed for it, ragequitted, farmed, whatever. Shows grind.

Basically anything at max is impressive because of the amount of time required for them to be achieved. KoBD is also obviously impressive.

Jetdoc · Oct 02, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by Blame the Monks

Farming trolls or w/e costs so much money and time it wouldn't be worth it.

How does farming trolls cost money if you're not opening chests? It seems like the drops MORE than pay for the XP scrolls.

Doing everything else while achieving Survivor(3) is very, very risky - especially getting the Protector titles. The chance of you dying while doing some of the later mission bonuses is way too high, and even attempting some of the later missions themselves is subject to an extreme amount of risk (e.g. like Unwaking Waters, where one hit for Kuunavang will kill you).

I tend to disagree - many of my friends who have either achieved or have tried to get Survivor(3) did so by doing the lowest risk items possible. Farming was #1 on that list.

Eldin · Oct 02, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

Survivor: Which I've only seen once ingame so far
Protector: I look back and realize some bonuses are bloody impossible unless you have a good guild/PuG
Drunkard: I was once drunk for half an hour (this was before titles were implemented). It was fun but hurt my budget, especially since I'm lower-middle-class in terms of GW money.
Skill Hunter: Okay, 90 elite skills?! Would have to do some serious profession swapping for that.

Kind of a Big Deal: Because you'd have to accomplish several of the impressing titles above.

Blame the Monks · Oct 02, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

I tend to disagree - many of my friends who have either achieved or have tried to get Survivor(3) did so by doing the lowest risk items possible. Farming was #1 on that list.

Based on the comments by other survivors in this thread and my own experience, I would say your friends are on the pussyish side of the survivor bell curve

Its certainly not necessary and I believe your friend's method is very much the exception to the rule.

And if you know you are fighting a boss who reguarly does 300+ hits, where is your prot spirit? If you know it is coming, its your own fault not to prepare for it. PvE is just not very dangerous to an experienced player. For the cost, I was thinking of having to hire someone to farm for you (shows how much I know about farming, I suppose -- zilch). Running outside and soloing trolls could be done safely I suppose, but why would someone do that when other methods are so much faster and help you reach other goals every potential survivor plans on reaching?

Jetdoc · Oct 02, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Blame the Monks

And if you know you are fighting a boss who reguarly does 300+ hits, where is your prot spirit? If you know it is coming, its your own fault not to prepare for it. PvE is just not very dangerous to an experienced player.

I guess you're assuming that most people that strive for the Survivor (3) title either are primary monks or have a monk secondary to keep protective spirit up (which is a major generalization). Even protective spirit won't save you from enemies that can enchantment strip, which most of the missions/bonuses towards the end of both campaigns are full of.

By the way, it's not cowardice for people to find the safest way to achieve a title - it's a risk/reward proposition. I would surmise that most people that have already achieved 700K+ of experience towards a title aren't going to risk that progress fighting Glint or Kuunavang.

Jetdoc · Oct 02, 2006, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by Blame the Monks

Based on the comments by other survivors in this thread and my own experience, I would say your friends are on the pussyish side of the survivor bell curve

Its certainly not necessary and I believe your friend's method is very much the exception to the rule.

Please reread all of the responses on the thread again, and I'll bet that you'll only count 2 or 3 people that claim that they earned it "the hard way". I highly doubt that 2 or 3 people represent a majority of GW players.

Alleji · Oct 02, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Here's a rank of titles from most impressive (top) to least (bottom), IMO:

1. Champion
2. Hero
3. Survivor - Tried for this one and I admire the perseverence of people who actually start over a character after failing.
4. Gladiator
5. KoaBD - This is just 2x protector and 2x cartographer + most often drunkard (2) or survivor (3). First two aren't that impressive and if I had survivor (3) (and didn't have hero (9) >.>), i'd be showing that over KoaBD
6. Skill Hunter - Requires exploring all of the hard areas and actually cleaning them, not just running through.
8. Cartographer - I mean 100% cartographer, especially on a class that can't easily run. 60's and 80's aren't worth anything.
9. Drunkard - This is just as crappy as luck titles, except for the novelty of it...
10. Protector - Everyone and their mother has one. There are only about 5 challenging missions between the two campaigns anyway.
11. Faction - Yayfarm
12. Wisdom/Treasure - Same as above
13. Lucky/Unlucky - Yaycrappymoneysink